Many of you know that if you try to take money out of a 401k or traditional IRA early, there will be a 10% early withdrawal penalty. This isn’t good news for the FIRE community, most of whom plan to access these investment funds well before they turn 59 ½. Thankfully there is a solution to this problem- the roth conversion ladder.
If you want to retire early, then you need to know everything about how the roth conversion ladder can work for you.
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What is a Roth Conversion Ladder?
How Does a Roth Conversion Ladder Work?
In the FIRE community, individuals will amass a large amount of net worth in investment accounts like a 401k or traditional IRA in order to retire early. The plan is to live on these investments. But, you will need to access retirement funds that are stored away in these accounts early, and normally that would mean a 10% tax penalty.
The roth conversion ladder involves moving your money from a tax-sheltered account (i.e. 401k or* IRA) into a roth IRA. By doing this, you can withdraw the money from the roth IRA penalty-free after 5 years.
The Difference Between a Roth IRA and Tax Sheltered Accounts
Roth IRA’s are already taxed investment accounts. This means the money you put into the account has already had taxes taken out, so when you withdraw from the roth in the future you do not need to pay tax.
In contrast, 401k and traditional IRA account contributions are not taxed by federal income tax (this is why they are referred to as tax-sheltered accounts). You will pay taxes when money is withdrawn in the future. In the meantime, you receive a tax break for contributions you make each year.
What You Need to Know about Roth IRA Conversion Ladder and Early Retirement
There are two things you should know about a roth IRA:
- Contributions are not tax-deductible
- You can withdraw contributions (not earnings) at any time without penalty
When you move your money from a tax-sheltered account to a roth it’s not treated as a normal contribution. Instead, it’s a conversion and it must sit there for 5 years. Then you can withdraw it with no penalties. This is the basis for the roth conversion ladder and how you can withdraw money from your tax-sheltered accounts without penalty before 59 ½.
How to Create a Roth IRA Conversion Ladder
Step 1: Contribute Money to Your Pre-Tax Bucket(s)
As you prepare for early retirement, you will be saving a significant portion of your income and (hopefully) maxing out your retirement accounts. This looks different for every FIRE journey, but the goal is the same: build a bucket of money in your tax-sheltered accounts to reach your FI number.
Common accounts you build while working are:
- Traditional IRA
Step 2: Reach Retirement
Once you have built your net worth to your FI number, then you’re ready to retire early! When you reach retirement you should have already done the following:
- Calculate your annual spending
- Established good saving and spending habits
- Have an investment and withdrawal plan in place (this could be the roth conversion ladder)
Step 3: Transfer 401k or 403b Retirement Funds to a Traditional IRA
In order to make the roth conversion ladder work, you need to convert money from your IRA to a roth. This means rolling over however much you plan to convert in total from your 401k or 403b to a Traditional IRA. The traditional IRA will then act as the “big bucket” that you make conversions from.
Step 4: Make your First Conversion
The year you retire, you can do a conversion and move a certain portion of funds from your IRA to your roth. The amount you convert is typically one years worth of expenses (how much you plan to live on).
For example, if you want to live on a fixed amount every year such as $40,000 a year- then when you’re ready to retire you would move over $40,000 from your traditional IRA to your roth IRA. Keep in mind that you will pay ordinary income tax on the amount you are converting, because you have never paid taxes on this money before.
Step 5: Convert Partial Amounts From Your IRA to Roth IRA Each Year
|Age|| Conversion Tax Sheltered Account|
|Roth IRA Withdrawal Amount|
|45||$40,000||Now you can withdraw the $40,000 moved five years earlier when you were 40 and just reached retirement without penalty.|
Step 6: Wait 5 Years (and use a different investment to get by)
During the five-year waiting period you are starting to build roth conversion amounts from your traditional IRA to your roth account you will need some money to live on, right? There are several different investments you could draw from including a brokerage account.
The most common method is to use your roth contributions you made while you were working. Remember that roth ira contributions (not interest earned) can be withdrawn at any time without any early withdrawal penalties and you have paid taxes on this money already. To paint a picture, I like to see my roth as holding three-bucket when doing a roth conversion ladder:
- The first bucket holds the contributions I made while working
- The second bucket holds the earnings (gains) from my contributions
- The third bucket holds my conversions that are marinating for 5 years before I can withdraw.
Step 7: Collect Your Money!
After at least five years, you will be able to utilize the ladder and withdraw your original conversions. For some early retirees, the roth conversion ladder is the method in which they can fund the first portion of their early retirement until they turn 59 ½ and no longer need to be concerned about penalties. More importantly, you do not have to pay income tax on the money coming out of your roth ira account because you paid taxes during your conversion five years ago.
Let’s use the example of the individual who retired at 40 again. They would move money from their traditional IRA to their roth from the time they are 40 until they are 55. By doing this, they have successfully created their roth conversion ladder to fund early retirement. Pretty cool perk just because you decided to wait five years, huh?
How Much Tax Do You Pay on a Roth IRA Conversion?
One last thing you want to consider is how much you will pay in taxes on the roth IRA conversion amount you make each year when creating a roth conversion ladder. Every time you move money from your 401k/IRA to a roth, this counts as taxable income for the year. The good news is, this might be the only portion of the income you do pay taxes on. Let me explain.
Let’s use the same scenario above and say you are moving $40,000 to your roth in a conversion. If you are living off your Roth contributions you made while working and other taxable accounts like a brokerage- then that income has already had taxes paid on it. This means you keep your tax bracket for income very low. With standard deductions, you can have only $20,000-$30,000 of taxable income in that year (or even less).
Alternatives to a Roth Conversion Ladder in Retirement
72t Substantially Equal Periodic Payments (SEPP)
72t SEPP is another popular way to make a withdrawal plan for early retirement. This withdrawal plan is called the 72t SEPP because it allows you to avoid the 10% tax penalty for early withdrawal (AKA 72t tax code) as long as they are made as part of a series of equal payments over your life expectancy (or until your turn 59 ½).
The first few steps are at the same as the Roth conversion ladder. You fill up your taxsheltered retirement plans while working. Then when you retire you rollover your 401k and 403b into a traditional IRA. You should have already calculated how much you plan to live on every year until you turn 59 ½. You can then take this number (the total you plan to live on until 59 ½) and calculate the SEPP.
It’s important that you have a tax professional check your calculations. It is also important that you continue making the withdrawals for 5 years or until you are 59 ½. When you stop withdrawals or withdraw the wrong amount you will face major fees.
Paying the Penalty: The Importance of Having a Plan
If you plan to retire early you need to have a plan in place for investments, how much you need to save and how you plan to withdraw that money early. If you don’t plan for the withdrawal- then you will end up taking a hit and paying the penalty of 10%. Ouch.
Answering Your Questions About Roth Conversion Ladders
Is there a limit on Roth conversion amount?
No, there is not a limit to the amount you convert from your 401k/IRA to a Roth IRA. If you decided you wanted to convert $100,000 one year you can. Just keep in mind that this strategy only works if you don’t run out of money. It’s important to look at this long term and make sure you still have funds even when you turn 59 ½.
When should I do a Roth Conversion?
Can I do a Roth Conversion if I am Retired?
Yes, you can do a roth conversion at any time. Just keep in mind a roth conversion always comes with a tax bill. When you move the funds from your 401k or IRA, you will also be missing out on tax-free growth.
If you retire at 59 ½ then it might not make sense to do a roth conversion ladder as your funds for a 401k/IRA will then be accessible penalty-free.
Where Can I Open a Roth IRA?
You can open a roth IRA online in just a few steps. There are many brokerages that offer roth IRA options including Vanguard, Fidelity and WeBull. When looking at brokerages to open a roth IRA, pay attention to the minimum cash requirement for opening the account.
How Do I Avoid Taxes on a Roth IRA Conversion?
You probably won’t be able to avoid taxes altogether on a roth IRA conversion. You can try to reduce the amount of taxes you owe by making a roth conversion when:
- You fall into a lower tax bracket (due to unemployment etc)
- You wait until you retire so your taxable income is much lower
- Only convert a portion (the portion you can afford to pay taxes on)
Do I Need an Accountant or Financial Advisor to do a Conversion Ladder?
The short answer is no. Those wishing to receive independent financial advice should do so though. They may however receive compensation for helping facilitate these conversions for you. So just keep that in mind when you’re trying to access your retirement funds early. Personal finance is personal, so do what makes you sleep well at night and have confidence in your retirement plan.
Why Should I Consider Doing a Roth IRA Conversion?
Early Retirement Can Be Taken One Step At a Time
The roth conversion ladder may seem overwhelming if you are new to FIRE. What you should know is that you do have options for withdrawing your money early. But the first step is to get your finances in order and start putting away money into your tax-sheltered accounts as soon as possible. You’ll need to build that nest egg before you can do any kind of conversions for early retirement.